kyrie1618 ([info]kyrie1618) wrote,
@ 2009-07-06 04:16:00
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Nothing unreal exists.
"A man wants to commit suicide but does not want to cause his family any grief. He finds out about an elixir he can take which will kill him, i.e., separate his soul from his body, but leave his body intact to wake up, go to work, play with the kids, keep the wife satisfied and bring home the bacon. But before he takes the elixir, a well-intentioned friend sneaks in during the night and injects his suicidal friend with the stuff, thereby killing him, i.e., releasing his soul. The man wakes up and doesn't know he's dead (i.e., that he has no soul), so he takes the elixir. He can't kill himself, since he's already dead. But he thinks he can kill himself and become a p-zombie. However, he is already a p-zombie. Question: if the p-zombie can't tell the difference between a real person and a p-zombie, why would we think that we real persons could tell the difference? In fact, since the conception of the "soul" makes absolutely no difference in either the nature of a person or a p-zombie, the concept of the "soul" is superfluous. If persons are indistinguishable from p-zombies then they are not two distinct concepts, but one concept manipulated by language to mislead us into thinking there are two distinct concepts here." -- http://www.skepdic.com/zombies.html

Mean average is not all you need to know.

The four dice A, B, C, D have the following numbers on their six faces:

    * A: 4, 4, 4, 4, 0, 0
    * B: 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3
    * C: 6, 6, 2, 2, 2, 2
    * D: 5, 5, 5, 1, 1, 1


P(A=4)=2/3
P(A=0)=1/3
P(B=3)=1
P(C=6)=1/3
P(C=2)=2/3
P(D=5)=1/2
P(D=1)=1/2

P(A<A)=2/9
P(A<B)=1/3
P(A<C)=5/9
P(A<D)=2/3

P(B<B)=0
P(B<C)=1/3
P(B<D)=1/2

P(C<C)=2/9
P(C<D)=1/3

P(D<D)=1/4

If your opponent is rolling die A, you should roll D.
If your opponent is rolling die B, you should roll A.
If your opponent is rolling die C, you should roll B.
If your opponent is rolling die D, you should roll C.

wins wins wins
 A   B   C   D
2/9 1/3 5/9 2/3  A loses
2/3  0  1/3 1/2  B loses
4/9 2/3 2/9 1/3  C loses
1/3 1/2 2/3 1/4  D loses

ties ties ties
 A   B   C   D
5/9  0   0   0   A ties
 0   1   0   0   B ties
 0   0  5/9  0   C ties
 0   0   0  1/2  D ties



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but we just don't know it
[info]bec_87rb
2009-07-08 09:00 pm UTC (link)
Ergo .... we are all zombies?

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Re: but we just don't know it
[info]kyrie1618
2009-07-09 10:37 pm UTC (link)
I think we should seriously consider the idea! :)

Orrr..... maybe the idea of the p-zombie is a self-contradictory one. I mean, there's got to be /some/ difference. Something detectable from outside, something behavioral, something that can be picked up on an fMRI.

P-zombie: exactly like a person, only without qualia. Hmm. I gotta think here that qualia have material consequences. I mean... who knows? I sure don't! Just an opinion, and I'm hardly qualified to tell. But even if I don't know that you have qualia, even if I know that I can be fooled by a good turing chatbot, I still gotta guess that you're not a p-zombie. And that neither is anyone else.

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